Dingle continued, "We
have to make sure that we remind each other of why we're there. When
we do the right thing and are rewarded, it reminds each other of what
happens we do the right thing. They are recognized for being
successful and are also recognized for speaking out. How do we
measure the impact of African American participation on boards? And
then having said that, what specifically have you been able to do in
your role to change the equation for African Americans, either in terms of managerial positions, diversity or greater
community partnerships (because it's reciprocal trade) on behalf of the companies that you have
served on the boards of?"
Cherisse
Lilly responded, "I think that in terms of measurable impact are the things
that you are talking about - is this company a company that does
business with diversifiers? Is this company in terms of its
community development investing in the local and national
organizations that are focused on diversity. And then, also, looking
at the board governance issue, do you see that there are more African
Americans that are on that board? And I have been on all the boards
to which I belong, very vocal. I am serving on the conversation
committee – been very vocal about making sure there is diversity in
terms of talents of people who are considered for senior positions; we are also
talking about making sure that the recruiting company we are using
know that we care about diversity and are acting in line with our
goals and wishes. And also asking those questions when it comes to
statistics, because statistcs can be confusing if you focus only on
diversity, and not looking at what's happening in terms of what is
happening in terms of African American community, what is happening
in terms of Latinos, what's happening in terms of women? You can get
statistcs that sound like the company is doing a really good job; from where you're coming
from, but not really measure up. When you go below the surface it's
another thing. Additionally, when you are sitting in a board room
you have to make sure that you're looking at the slicing and dicing and they are really giving you the true stats in terms
of what's going on in the community."
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| DR. CHARISSE LILLIE AND DR. JULIANNE MALVEAUX |
John Rogers, "I've been on the Urban League board in Chicago for about 35 years; and it literally took me 25 years to start to ask, when we went to our governance committee meetings, when we put some new African American on the board, what's their history of fighting for us in their prior jobs? What's the history of the company they're representing? Do they work with minority owned businesses, and do they have minority executives? In the past we had put people on the board who had written a check, or had made some contribution, but never thought to ask does that company, or that individual have a history of fighting of us? So now, if I'm on a governance committee of a board, and we're going to hire an executive recruiter to go out and search for diverse board members, I am going tell that executive recruiter to look at the history of those individuals you're looking at to see whether they care about us or not. Not just put them on because they've got a Black face - it doesn't make any sense. It's actually kind of crazy, because when you put someone on the board whose gotten along, gotten ahead by excluding us - not thinking about us, not fighting for us - they're going to make things actually worse for our people once they're on the board. (Audience applauded). The CEO is thinking, hey everything's great - they've got a Black board member, they're not pushing for anything; they don't have a tough agenda, we must be A-OK in all the things that we do, and so you're just a cover for things to stay the same."
Derek Dingle responded, "So you've got to insist to the guys that things can't stay the same. You've got to put the right people in these boards. Those who are going to stand in harm's way to ensure that there are opportunities for African Americans. We actually made a list, and we have 300 of the most powerful African Americans in corporate America. And you pull the achievement of those African Americans, but that's after going through what is considered the Fortune 1000, S&P 500, top priority companies; so the C-Suite, in terms of African Americans, is very, very thin. And, in terms of looking at line positions, it's virtually non-existent.
Christopher Williams: "You can't insure that - again, these boards will hire people that they either know, or are presented to them in some way. You have to make sure that you support and present those individuals who do have a history, or track record of at least showing a social responsibility and consciousness for the community. When I am on a board with a company, I make it clear that I would like to engage with the African American members of management. And I reach out to African American members of management to make sure they know that you are to serve as a sounding board, and also to serve as someone that they want to discuss a problem with that exists in the company, and make them feel comfortable. That makes the company better; and from my perspective I think it makes the company feel better and, I don't think it puts me in harm's way. If it put me in harm's way, that's a company I don't want to be associated with." Williams went on to say there is a need to look externally to supplier diversity. Where are the products and services coming from; and how are the contracts let out. You have to develop communication to see how they are reaching out to these companies so that you can make recommendations about them to the board. And once in a while you have one person who is just not going to do it. Since you're dealing with pensions, you have to make sure you do it in a thoughtful way. You have to reach into the organization to make sure you identify where there is going to be blockage points; so you can either build relationships or make sure you find a way to go around it."
Dingle postured that perhaps there are mid-level management that are not as committed to the process as those at the top. Insuring that there are consequences, or skin in the game to make sure that they are more prone to comply than to block progress.
Williams responded that it sometimes takes some kind of consequence or court order to make sure they are in compliance, or there can also be incentives or some sort of compensation to make it happen. "Look, all I care is that they make it happen. I can work with them and let them know that by being more inclusive, they are avoiding the appearance of a problem - it's better to have a record - internally or externally - to show that you are inclusive and the quality company that we know you are.
Dingle asked Charisse Lillie what she saw as the opportunity for a pipeline for African American board members leading possibly to the C-Suites. What can you use for your influence to bear on making that change within the corporation?
Charisse Lillie: "From a compensation standpoint, if you are on a board committee, where you are looking at what kind of succession planning and what kind of pipeline of opportunity has been created, there's a lot of information that the HR committee, and your executive committee are going to receive that will give you an indicator of whether or not that middle level of employees are getting opportunity. Sometimes, if you don't have the middle level, which exists in the company, the board can also be a pressure point of creating opportunities for external leadership - not always the best way. You have to exert leadership and have to be relentless. This is not a one time conversation; not a one time effort. You have to be consistent. This is a constant conversation that has to occur between you and the board members, as well as the CEO of the company."
Lillie concluded, "The fact that there are so few African Americans serving on board of major companies and corporations - and out of those who do, there are even fewer who are willing to take a stand for African Americans means there must be much more in the way the corporations plan for the future. The access to the C-Suite is important now more than ever as more and more Black Americans begin to take their place in the corporate realm. If we don't speak out and insist that it change, it's never going to change. We have the leverage to do it! If we Rev. Jackson or Rev. Sharpton took 100 people to a particular problem place like the MOMA, and told them we weren't going to stand for discrimination, it would stop right now!!!
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